Colossus Climb

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See that tiny white thing in the lower-left corner? That's you.

"Some mountains are scaled. Others are slain." —Shadow of the Colossus Tagline

A specific exchange between two characters of different size scales, and a way for the little guy to get a leg up.

The smaller character attacks the bigger character by climbing his body, avoiding his ponderous opponent long enough to attack a vulnerable spot. Can involve climbing on fur, hair and clothing, or can alternately involve invasion under clothing. The climb may be made easier when combined with a Gulliver Tie Down. If the attacker is swallowed, this can quickly lead to a Fantastic Voyage Plot.

Generally, this occurs between a normal-sized person and a giant monster, or a tiny-sized character and a normal-sized opposite. It is a feature in many Incredible Shrinking Man and Attack of the 50 Foot Whatever plots, and is a common tactic of rodent or insectoid animal characters, (talking or speech-impaired). Can also happen if the smaller person had no idea they were on the larger one in the first place.

A milder form has a small child trying to bring down an exceptionally big thug, but it almost never works.

Since most western animation is designed as kid-friendly stuff, this will most often not be done to a female character, and the vulnerable area attacked will not be the most vulnerable area.

It has also become a common game trope, especially during Boss Battles. It treats the boss monster as an element of the environment, and designates parts of his body as platforms, to give a clear shot at his Achilles Heel. Doing this to a Humongous Mecha often involves important wires.

See also Stepping Stones in the Sky. When it happens in a shooter, it's a Battleship Raid.

Examples of Colossus Climb include:

Advertising

• Some recent toothpaste commercial, as explanation for the fifth "dentist of five". As a slight aversion, the vulnerable area is the vulnerable area.
• A commercial for Capri Sun V has a young boy being attacked by a Cybear, a giant machine/bear hybrid. The kid manages to kill the 'marauding Ursa Machina' by leaping onto his back with a trampoline and stabbing him with the Capri Sun straw.

Anime & Manga

• Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children has one of these in the Bahamut SIN fight. It gets harder than usual because the monster flies. At the end of the fight is is a scene where Cloud is thrown further and further up in the air by a succession of allies until he can finally reach the monster.
• In Macross 7, a friendly Fan Service example from The Movie. One of the giant alien Meltrandi women shares a campfire with the hero and the kid sidekick. The kid has a quite innocent play session in her cleavage (she's at least 30 feet tall, and her breasts are easily the size of beanbag chairs, and the kid is about four years old).
• In Digimon Savers, Masaru and Agumon pull one of these in the final battle against the Big Bad. It doesn't quite work out as planned (they get nabbed by the Big Bad's Combat Tentacles once they reach the top), but it's still awesome.
• The battle with Oars in One Piece. Particularly shown when Chopper manages to climb onto Oars's shoulder, tricking Oars into punching himself when he dodges and hides inside Oars's fist, and Zoro uses a special technique to slash his way up Oars's right arm.
  • Kinda subverted by Franky, who just builds a staircase.
• Played twice in MAR with Jack as the climber in both cases.
  • The first, both characters are normal-sized, but Jack traps her in a beanstalk, forcing him to climb up to her. When his hand gets close to her breast (every indication is that he's going to keep climbing), she screams out that he's a pervert, which causes him to climb back down without doing anything.
  • The second time, Jack has been shrunk by an attack and climbs his opponent to give his beans a warm environment to grow in (they're on an ice field).
• Naruto does this to the Four Tails Bijuu in the Fourth Shinobi War, in order to free him from Tobi's control.

Comics

• In X-Men, the trope enabled the more melee-oriented Wolverine to pull his weight whenever the team had to fight the Sentinels.
  • That is if someone who had superstrength wasn't around to serve him up a Fastball Special.
    • Often times Wolverine is almost more than likely capable of climbing his way up to take them out head on.
    • But subverted slightly in Ultimate X-Men when Wolverine fights the advanced sentinels and comments that they are smaller and more concentrated, making it easier as he can now simply jump up and attack the head without any climbing at all.
• In Issue 20 of Archie Comics' Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures, a giant Foot Soldier is unleashed and begins destroying the city. After an initial futile assault is launched on its shins, they climb up in search of a vulnerable spot. Turns out that they only wind up being a diversion so that a fireman-turned-dragon (thanks to an old curio shop owner's powder) can defeat it.
• Happens a couple of time in Godzilla comics:
  • Attempted in the Dark horse series by members of G-force. They encounter a swarm of mutant lice on the way up.
  • Also done in a one shot of the IDW series. An aging adventurer accepts a job by the government to climb up Godzilla in order to gather data on him. Unfortunately for him his protective suit tears and as a consequence he ends up dying from radiation poisoning.
• In Robots in Disguise, climbing combiners is the most viable tactic against them.

Films

• In the movie version of Starship Troopers, the hero climbs up on top of a giant bug that's attacking his squad. He blows a hole in the bug's body, drops a large explosive in the hole, and jumps off.
• In The Lord of the Rings movie The Return of the King, where Legolas climbs the Oliphant and shoots it in the head with arrows after singlehandedly wiping out the entire archer platform and sending it to earth.
  • Which, according to Gimli, still only counts as one.
• Scarab attacks from The Mummy Trilogy.
• This is Reepicheep's primary battle strategy in Prince Caspian.
• The twins vs. Devastator in Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen ends up like this.
• Played for laughs in Shrek when Puss in Boots attacks Shrek (including an Alien style chest burst, no less).

Literature

• In most adaptations of Gulliver's Travels, the Lilliputians use this, as a swarming attack, against the title character.
• The standard attack of the Nac Mac Feegle (six-inch-high Violent Glaswegians) in the Discworld novels is to clamber up their opponent and headbutt him with an effect like lead shot.
  • Similarly, Wee Mad Arthur in Feet of Clay can skitter up a man's pant leg and break his kneecap.
• A Rustle in the Grass by Robin Hawdon is a novel about ants told in a Heroic Fantasy style. At one stage the anthill is attacked by a bird and the ant hero drives it off by climbing up its body to attack the bird's eye.
• The Mechas in Orson Scott Card's Empire, apparently designed by a particularly Genre Savvy engineer, are nearly impossible to climb on. Our heroes have to get creative to take them out, by pushing on the legs to upset the balance, and then hitting it with two cars. They find a much, much easier method once they link up with the National Guard in the form of AT-4.
  • And back in Ender's Game, Ender attacks the virtual Giant in a video game by leaping onto him and digging into his eye.

Live Action TV

• Believe it or not, Power Rangers (a show where Henshin Heroes typically summon Humongous Mecha in response to a Make My Monster Grow situation) has done this quite a few times, although it is sometimes regarded as a live-action anime.

Tabletop Games

• This is standard operating procedure for Elementals in BattleTech. Elementals are 8' tall Power Armor wearing Super Soldier troopers, genetically designed by the Clans to be anti-Mech infantry. As even the smallest 'Mech is still over 6 meters tall, Elemental teams, operating in groups of five, often enact a Colossus Climb to destroy enemy 'Mechs, mostly to Attack Its Weak Point. Because of the construction of some types of 'Mechs, which often lack humanoid features like hands, this trope is considered a perfectly sensible tactic instead of a suicide run.
  • However, there are some Inner Sphere infantry units, who are not 8' tall nor clad in armor that can resist 'Mech-scale weapons, who will occasionally try to do this with varying degrees of success. It is possible for simple infantrymen to inflict critical leg damage to enemy 'Mechs this way, and the novels describe at least three instances where a 'Mech was captured or destroyed by infantry making climbs.

Video Games

• Trope Namer: The game Shadow of the Colossus is an entire game of these battles, with some exploration and platforming in between.
• Sky Serpents by Nitrome.
• Quite literally occurs in the fight with Colossus in Mega Man Legends: The Misadventures Of Tron Bonne.
• In Sly 3, Carmelita Fox is transformed into a giant berserker by a cursed mask, and Sly must climb her clothing in an attempt to free her.
• Many of the enemies in Kingdom Hearts can be approached this way; anything big enough can be climbed on.
  • A subversion happens with Giant Ursula where you don't have to climb since you're all underwater.
• Most of the actual boss battles in Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones incorporate acrobatics on the boss itself. In one case, the Prince climbs a monster, and rides him into a wall at the end of a maze.
  • And before that, in an arena, he fights a much bigger giant and defeating him involves weakening him, then performing acrobatics to climb, cripple and kill him.
  • Also, previously in Warrior Within, the Prince faced Iron Golems that could only be hurt by slashing at their ankles until they fell to their knees, then climbing up on their shoulders and stabbing them in the neck. For that matter, the Prince's signature move throughout the series is to use his great agility to run up an enemy's torso and vault over them, thus getting into position to wail on them from behind.
• In the battle against the giant Butcher in Psychonauts, Raz must use the boss's own arm to reach his face for a melee atack.
• In Sonic Rush Series, the (sort of) final boss is a giant mech, and to attack you have to wait until it punches the stage, then run over its arm and shoulder to spin attack its head.
  • The second area boss of Sonic 3D Flickies Island required you to jump on top of its hands when it attacked the ground, then allow it to pull you back up so you could reach its head.
  • The Egg Golem from Sonic Adventure 2 had platforms on its back pop out during one of its attacks, allowing Sonic to attack the control device on top. However, in the Dark story's version of events, Sonic reached the top in one jump.
    • Later in the same game, Shadow has to grind up a rail "support pipe" on the Biolizard's neck in order to reach its back, where its weak spot was.
  • Inverted at the end of Sonic Unleashed, where Sonic has to save the colossus he's running all over rather than try to destroy it.
  • In Sonic Rush Series Adventure, the boss of Blizzard Peaks is a whale. Smack it open, jump inside to an obstacle course, then smack this weak spot at the end for Massive Damage. Literally. While most bosses in this game take loads of hits, only 3 times of reaching this spot (different course each time too) is needed.
• The two memorable boss battles from God of War, especially the minotaur fight. While you don't technically climb the Hydra in the first boss battle, you do have to climb the ships' mast to get eye-level with it and attack. In II, the player climbs on and inside a literal Colossus: the Colossus of Rhodes, and faces Titans so massive their bodies often ARE the stage.
  • But in III, the battle with Cronos takes the cake. The guy is easily the biggest boss in the series OF ALL TIME!
• In Resident Evil 4, El Gigante must be killed by shooting at him for a while, then climbing onto his back and slashing at the parasite controlling the beast as it emerges. Of course, the player can also just shoot the parasite as well, but that doesn't look nearly as cool.
• Another computer game that features this is Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc, where Rayman needs to run up the villain's arm to reach the magic thing in its back, in the second stage of the final boss battle.
• Several bosses in Steambot Chronicles can be climbed (a few need to.)
• On the first Bowser Jr. boss battle in Super Mario Galaxy, Mario must defeat a Humongous Mecha called Megaleg by climbing up one of his legs while avoiding homing missiles being fired from all directions.
  • There's also the Heavy Metal Mecha-Bowser star later in the game; it involves Mario climbing a massive windup toy of death, complete with spikes, flames and energy weapons and dismantling it as he goes.
  • A friendly example occurred in one level where Mario must climb around a giant queen bee to remove some items causing her problems.
• Possible subversion in the console version of Alien Hominid. When you fight the pudding boss, a downed lamppost leads straight from the ground to the monster's head. If you ever try to climb up the post, it immediately kills you.
• Devil May Cry 4 has a big one of these when Dante takes on the Savior in order to rescue Nero. This is combined with Womb Level as Nero takes it on from within. (Why does a statue have squishy innards...?)
  • It's a magical statue, okay?
• The boss of the Wind Temple of The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap. They are two creatures that can fly, but Link does not fly. Consequently you spend the whole time standing on one or the other.
  • Also in Minish Cap, multiple enemies require you to become tiny and go inside them to defeat them, including at least one form of the Big Bad.
  • Two bosses in Twilight Princess don't have to be climbed as much as getting high enough to use the hookshot on their weak point on their back. Cue Link sitting on the boss frantically stabbing said weak point with his sword until he gets shaken off.
  • Phantom Hourglass also features a variation where you get catapulted on top of the boss.
  • In Skyward Sword there's the fight against The Imprisoned, where you need to whack his seal back into his forehead.
  • A few examples in Breath of the wild: You have to climb up onto the back of a stone talos in order to strike the black crystal to kill it. And if you can stun a Lynel you can hop up on it's back and get in a few whacks before it throws you off. And finally if you're stealthy enough you can climb up on a sleeping Hinox and steal the stuff hung around it's neck.
• La-Mulana: the boss of the Mausoleum of the Giants is immune to ranged weapons (i.e. your subweapons), so you have to wait for it to punch diagonally into the ground, then climb up its extended arm and whack at its face.
• In Marvel Ultimate Alliance, the frost giant Ymir falls under this trope as you must jump in his oversized club to initiate a Quick Time Event; the only way to hurt him.
  • Although you skip the climbing and use cannons to get on top, it's also how you deal with Arcade.
• Dungeon Man in Earthbound.
• The Sin battle in Final Fantasy X.
  • And in it's sequel, the entire final level is taken up by a climb up Vegnagun to get to his head.
• Final Fantasy Tactics a 2's final boss makes up about 80% of the level, but only a few spots are vulnerable: the hand (opens a shortcut), a moving spark (protects the core) and the head/core.
• While not player-controlled, Squall's limit break employs this against several late-game bosses in Final Fantasy VIII.
• An early boss in Star Fox Assault needs to be hovered onto with the landmaster tank.
• X-Men 2 in Clone Wars for the Sega Genesis does this quite impressively on its second, third, AND fourth levels. Video games typically struggle with portraying one of the X-Men's major antagonists, the colossal robots known as Sentinels; often they are shrunken down to only slightly larger than human so they make a more manageable obstacle for the player. Clone Wars gets around this by having the X-Men attack a Sentinel maintenance facility while the Sentinels are off-line. You spend two levels fighting your way up scaffolding to reach one of the Sentinel's heads, and one level going inside a Sentinel and fighting a Boss Battle against its reactor core, then running partway back down the scaffolding before the facility explodes from the power overload. Parts of two Sentinels' bodies are visible in the background throughout the levels, and they are true to their gigantic depictions in the comic books and television shows.
  • The Wolverine game on the X-Box 360 and PlayStation 3 has an AWESOME fight with a fully functional Sentinel. It's completely to scale, towering over anything and everything in the game, and you climb it in boh phases of the fight to destroy it. Hell, the second part of the battle has you doing this AS YOU BOTH FALL FROM THE STRATOSPHERE. The game could have ended there, and lost NOTHING.
• Similar to the X-Men example above, the Super NES adaption of Star Wars Episode V (Super Empire Strikes Back) had Luke—after escaping his snowspeeder before it was destroyed—climb up an AT-AT's leg, work his way up from the inside, and walk across its backside before fighting the head, all in three separate levels! This contrasts from the movie, where Luke instead tethered to its underside, cut an opening with his lightsaber, and threw a bomb inside to destroy it.
• The boss Eligor in Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia is a giant centaur-like creature which can only be damaged if the player hits its eye. This can only be accomplished by destroying the jewels on it's four legs, its two crossbows, finding a way to get under it and behind it without being crushed, and finally climbing up to its back and attacking its eye all while avoiding its various attempts to knock you off again. A certain glyph can skip a large part of this process however.
  • Bonus Boss The Forgotten One in Lament of Innocence is a colossal demon, but instead of climbing you fight him from an elevator.
  • The Ice Titan, Idol Titan, and Dracolich Titan in Lords of Shadow are huge constructs built for war (with the exception of the Dracolich) that are fought almost exactly like the Colossi from Shadow of the Colossus, right down to having to be climbed to strike at their glowing weak points.
• Used in the bossfight agains the Humongous Mecha Quadraxis in Metroid Prime 2. In the phase 2 of the fight, Quadraxis' head separates from its legs and starts flying around the arena. The player must climb the Spider Ball tracks on the legs, boost onto the head, and then lay bombs into the weak spots in order to damage it.
• In Halo 3, two of the Scarab fights pretty much require you to blast it's legs until it kneels, whereupon the player can jump aboard and fight their way to the glowing weakpoint at the top of the giant robot bug (If you're good/lucky you can defeat it without having to climb aboard, by shooting at it's back until the armor around the weakpoint falls off, but it's tricky). The final battle, against two Scarabs, is much easier because you're in a plane.
• People in the Dragon Age series tend to get really, really awesome dragon-killing animations involving climbing on top of it attacking it while it tosses its neck, flinging you up into the air, and come down right on its neck, hang on through some more bucking, and finally rip its head apart. You get awesome kill animations for ogres, too, but they aren't nearly as awesome.
• In Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War, one of the uberunits for Chaos (indeed, the only one before expansions added the Daemon Prince) is the Bloodthirster, a forty-foot tall winged demon with a giant battleaxe. He kills infantry by picking them up and chowing down on them. However, the Space Marines' primary commander unit, the Force Captain, carries anti-daemon weaponry, and will always beat the Bloodthirster one-on-one. Upon said victory, the Force Captain will crack the demon on the knee with his hammer, climb up onto its back, and wail on its head until it falls.
  • He has a brilliant one in Dawn of War 2 as well, against the Tyranid Carnifex. Launching himself at the thing's jaw, after avoiding acidic vomit, the Commander holds fast while being trashed around and unloading his bolter into the creature's head - when it finally flings him up in the air, he smashes it right in the skull with his melee weapon, dropping it like a stone. Win.
• Deadly Creatures has the final boss, Struggs, with the player controlling the scorpion. This is basically a Crowning Moment of Awesome for the scorpion as well - it crawls up his legs leg, crawls into his pants, and stabs him in the balls. THREE TIMES. And the second two times involve it avoiding a shotgun and being stepped on, too. The first time, Struggs falls on his ass and gets bitten by a Gilla Monster. The results are also a Crowning Moment of Funny too, every time Struggs gets it in the crotch and screams.
• One of the final bosses in Shantae, the gigantic mechanical Tinkerbot, is a miniature stage on his own. You have to find a way into him without getting killed, and then climb around inside him to find and disconnect all his power conduits.
• Drill Dozer has a boss who the player actually has to climb around inside to find his weak point.
• Mega Man X 4 has the General, one of the largest Boss in the series (not counting some of Sigma's One-Winged Angel forms). He can detach his hands to reveal cannons in his limbs, and the hands can act as platforms so the player can reach his weakpoint, the head.
• Most of the fighting against the Flame Leviathan battle platform in the Ulduar raid of World of Warcraft is done with a variety of vehicular weaponry, but the demolishers (catapaults) are capable of launching other players onto its back to destroy its turrets. This is necessary in order to send it grinding to a temporary halt that both resets its continuous acceleration and lets all the other vehicles pound on it for extra damage.
• The Humongous Mecha Gamma's second form in Mega Man 3 is defeated by jumping up onto its hand, then hitting the cockpit with the mostly-useless Top Spin.
• The Tower Monster level in Gargoyle's Quest.
• One level in the Transformers Armada game takes place on an aircraft carrier that transforms into the giant Tidal Wave for the Boss Battle.
• In the final level of Transformers: Fall of Cybertron Jazz must grapple up onto Bruticus in order to take the combiner out.
• Some of the boss fights in Bayonetta have boss climbs that are even bigger then the ones in Shadow of the Colossus
• Monster Hunter Tri introduces Jhen Mhoren, an Elder Dragon that hunters can jump on if he gets close enough to the Dragonship. In fact, it's necessary if you want to mine scales and ores from it as well as to hit the two weakpoints on it.
• Snake has to climb all over one of the giant robots in Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker. It's functionally equivalent to a giant tank mixed with a battleship: the sucker is covered in guns and if you don't disable at least a few of them, it'll blow you away even as you climb it. In fact, it seems to have been designed specifically to fight off people who would try to climb it.
• Someone has made a special map for Team Fortress 2 that has one of these.
• In Lufia: Curse of the Sinistrals, Gades' true form involves one of these. Sadly, there wasn't much to it, and the real challenge came from the rematch with his previous form.
• Blood Rayne featured a giant...Vampire... goddess... thingy... named Slezz, who is a variation of this trope. She spends the better part of the fight as an Action Bomb Mook Maker who's indestructible skin prevents you from harming her. Throw her own explosive children back at her and eventually the concussive force will blow a hole in her stomach. You then climb inside her to Tear her heart out from within. Rayne is not happy with this turn of events.

Severin: Do you see a way to the upper level? Rayne: I have bowel in my hair...

• In a unique non-boss example, Banjo-Kazooie requires the player to climb atop the eponymous giant mechanical shark of Clanker's Cavern.

Western Animation

• Disney's classic short of The Brave Little Tailor features Mickey defeating the giant in exactly this way.
  • Not to mention Giantland, Mickey and the Beanstalk, and, in a way, Runaway Brain. Somewhat reversed in Gulliver Mickey, as he's the giant. There have also been instances where Mickey has latched onto Pete's back or climbed up him, as in Two Gun Mickey or in the House of Mouse episode "The Broken Thermostat."
• On Kim Possible, this is Rufus' preferred attack against human targets, he does it to Drakken at least once. The producers were careful not to over-use it.
• Ditto the lead rodents from Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers.
• 70's cartoon detective Inch High Private Eye invades clothing often enough; in his appearance on Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law, he invades Gigi's bra.
• In Ben 10, if Ben is forced to go into a fight as the six-inch-tall Grey Matter, this is generally a big part of his strategy.
• In the Family Guy episode "No Meals on Wheels", while combating a giant monster made of paraplegics, Stewie climbs on the arm to get to the head (Joe).
• Jackie Chan Adventures:
  • In one episode, Jackie and Hak Foo have to scale the entire body of the giant Tohru. They both end up in his ear and out his nose.
  • Perhaps the most memorable incident of this is when "Little Valmont, Big Jade", a normal sized Jackie and Valmont climbing the hoodie of Jade, who is over 315 feet tall.
• Code Lyoko: Toward the end of Season 4, this happens twice with Ulrich and the aptly-named Kolossus. First, to fight William on its shoulder, and then to dispatch the giant itself by striking its two weak spots; Ulrich manages to do this but is crushed by the falling Kolossus.
• Once on Chowder, Schnitzel and Chowder had to climb a giant to make a delivery. Not to the giant, to the guy living on top of the giant.
• The Real Ghostbusters: Ray Stanz ascends a possessed carnival ride in "Rollerghoster", looking for a way to communicate with it in a manner very reminiscent of Shadow of the Colossus. It doesn't work.
• Naturally, Bugs Bunny finds himself in this situation - twice in fact, once with Daffy Duck, running into giant Elmer Fudd's ears and ending up behind huge, window-like eyes...then running back down under his clothing, reducing him to ticklish giggles.
• In one episode of The Simpsons, over-eager mountaineers try to climb a park ranger - even though all persons involved are normal-sized.
• A human face becomes the location of the Final Battle between anthropomorphic white blood cell Osmosis Jones, voiced by Chris Rock, and evil virus, Thrax, voiced by Laurence Fishburne. Along with Thrax, Ozzy is ejected out of his host and lands on the upper face of Shane (the daughter of Osmosis's home, Frank, and whom Thrax intends to infect and kill after disposing of Frank). During the battle, they plunge into the murky watery depths on the tip of her sclera, avoid being crushed by her oncoming blinking eyelid, and commence battling on one of her eyelashes.

• Transformers:
  • The Autobots as humans use this in Transformers Animated against the far larger Decepticons.
  • In Transformers Prime, Jack climbs Megatron in order to purge the Nemesis' fuel tanks of Dark Energon. Fortunately for Jack, Megatron is in stasis.
  • In "The Insecticon Syndrome", Spike has to climb the Insecticon Shrapnel in order to keep him from exploding.
  • In "The Ultimate Weapon", First Aid has to climb up Metroplex in order get inside him in order to make some vital repairs to his transformation cog.
  • In "End of the Universe IV" in Transformers: Cyberverse, Windblade scales the brainwashed Croaton so she can access his cityspeaker chamber.

Web Comics

• Fructose Riboflavin overcomes his robot guard in this installment of The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob.
• In Tales of the Questor, Quentyn climbs a dragon and lassos its mouth after his plan A proves completely ineffective.
• In Skullkickers, Shorty defeats the giant worm-thing by climbing it with his axes, chopping his way into its head and rooting around in there until it dies.

Real Life

• New evidence suggests that the "sickle claw" of dromaeosaurid dinosaurs (Velociraptor and the like) was used as a climbing crampon rather than a slashing blade. Yep, that's right. Raptors climbed on top of their prey.
  • This also means that the packs of Deinonychus climbed on top of the Tenontosaurus when they hunted it.
• Bugs do this all the time. Who hasn't got ants climbing unto oneself?